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On Greek and Hebrew Thought....

The Greeks and the Hebrews had very different ways of looking at life and how a thing can be known. This is a concept that I have had thrown at me in Torrey and have been trying to wade through in the midst of reading Plato and other Greek books. For the Greeks, you can only know something once you have fully reasoned it out and comprehended it completely . Knowledge and wisdom are gained through reason and the intellect, the mind is glorified as the only way to truth. While there is great merit to the way the Greeks view the world (certainly I would not be in a school that so exalts it if I did not believe that we ought to understand and use this worldview) the Greek view of knowledge is not the Biblical one.

The Bible is written from a Hebrew worldview and therefore contains a very different view of knowing. For the Hebrew mind, the spirit/soul is the essence of knowing something. If a person can place an idea or a truth into their hearts and truly live it out, then they know it. If that knowledge is not transforming your heart, then you don't truly know it. This is important because the reason can never understand the fullness of God. He is too great, too all-inclusive to be understood by something so small human reason.

It seems then that this view is in sharp contradiction to the Greek worldview. The Hebrew mind uses reason, but not as the ultimate means for knowledge, while the Greeks worship reason as the source of all knowledge if not even human goodness. The Bible calls us to pursue transformation, not just information. God wants us to have changed and transformed hearts, not intellectual trophies. However, Greek thought does have its place. The training of the mind is vital to our spiritual growth. As we learn to discipline out minds we can then apply similar principles to other parts of our lives. Also, God has given us the gifts of reason and intellect, it would be a slap in the face of our creator not to use them to the full potential for which God gave them to us.

So where, then, does this leave us? Which worldview do we choose? I would suggest that there is not actually a choice to be made. I believe that we need to adopt an overarching Hebrew mindset and seek not just information but transformation. Yet in the midst of this way of thinking, we need to apply Greek thought to certain areas of our lives and then apply the truths we learn through reason to our lives and hide them in our hearts so that God can use them to change our lives.

46 comments:

Leslyn Musch said...

Well said

Theophilus Christmas said...

Few questions for starters: What is the role of the heart in Platonic thought? How does the mind affect the heart? (i.e. If I have cognitive understanding does my heart know it as well?)

han-nah said...

Hannah got a blog...yay!

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I'm so glad that you got a blog Hannah!! I left a comment. Go look at it...it's pretty. lol :)

As for your questions James, I'm not entirely sure what the role of the heart is Platonic thought. I guess my first problem is that I'm not even sure where it would fit in Platonic thought, taking the view of the soul in The Republic, the heart would have to either fit with the reason, the spirit or the appetite. I know it's not reason...probably not appetite either. So I'd assume that it would most fit with the spirited part of the soul. My problem is that I just don't see quite how this fits. The Biblical view of the heart is so much more than the spirited part of the soul as depicted by Plato.

Biblically, the heart is the seat of the spiritual part of our beings...I may even venture to say the seat of the soul (since the three-part soul is a distinctly Greek thought...the Hebrews did not really make this distinction. There does seem to be a distinction between the mind and soul and there seem to be parts of the soul...but there is so much overlap, I'm not really sure what the Biblical view is. I should really look that up...actually, would you be interested discussing that?? If you would, i could start up a new thread...I think that would be an interesting thing to look at...haha, tangent...back to the point).

So yes, the heart seems to hold the emotions and to be able to hear the voice of God. It is the part of our body that is in touch with the spiritual part of our existence in a way our reason can never be. So the heart really seems to represent the spiritual part of us.

For Plato, the spirited part of the soul seems like more of a helper to the reason. It is the courageous part of the body that the reason uses to curb the appetite. While this is important and necessary to our existence, it is not the part of the body that is in touch with the spiritual realm. For Plato, it is the mind that is able to best understand the realm of Being (what I would say is the closest that Plato got to the spiritual realm of the Bible). He relies on the Mind to discover spiritual truth.

So the main difference is that the Hebrews see the heart as the way to truly understand spiritual truth while Plato would say it is reason that brings us to a true understanding, while the spirit/heart is present to enact the bidding of the mind. So the mind does affect the heart, but can the heart affect the mind? I don't think it can in the same way the Hebrews would say it does.

What do you think about this? Would you agree about this view of how Plato sees the heart?? I know Phaedrus says more about this, but I haven't read that yet. I'd like to hear your thoughts.

As to your last question...I don't think that if my mind understands something that my heart necessarily understands it as well. Sometimes it does, but often I feel a disconnect between my head and my heart. There are times when I am struggling with something and my head knows that God will work it for good and take care of me, but my heart still fears and does not understand the trust that it ought to have in God. My head understands, but my heart does not. Or conversely, there will be times when my heart will be at such peace in the midst of a terrible situation even when my mind is telling me I should be afraid and worried. My heart understands the faithfulness of God even though my mind does not. It is this disconnect that leads me to believe that knowledge of the mind does not equate the knowledge of the heart. The heart and the mind learn differently. How exactly they do this, I'm not sure, but they seem to.

When you get a chance I'd love to hear what you think. :)

Anonymous said...

Hi! I visit your blog for first time, so I don't know you perfectly just I know your name is Hannah. However I will be glad to know more about you. So I have ideas about your article.
Heart has difference capacities. For example you don't educate philosophy lessons children! Why? Because they don't have enough capacity to learn them! So they must gain that capacity. Or you may explain a reason problem to others but they don't accept, because they are angry or hasty persons and... This shows they don't have enough capacity to learn or accept the exalted wisdoms. The capacity belongs to heart. And exalted wisdoms need to big heart.
Conclusion, I offer you to study Islamic philosophy! I think it isn't given you because of destroying propaganda in west. So I will glad to make a connection with me.
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Karyn said...

Hi MM,

I'm very glad that you have found this blog and I would be very interested in talking more with you. How did you find this blog though? I'd be very interested to know.

I think that you are right, about capacity having a lot to do with a person's ability to grasp and comprehend philosophy. I'm not sure if i think that capacity is found in the heart or in the mind though. It seems that comprehension for knowledge and philosophy is found in the mind while more spiritual understanding is found in the heart. What do you think?

Anonymous said...

Hi.
It is really interesting how an understanding of a thing need some facts to rely on it. I believe that there are more capacities to our minds and hearts that the regular ones and many great humans have tried to tell us about their experiences about the spirit.
In my case I've learned some esoteric occidental streams of knowledge as well as some oriental, and basically I think that mind can't fully understand spirit but it guides many actions of us humans. Heart can find the way through more easily but still it is not the soul. I think to find the soul we have to go beyond the personality and the fears and craves of the ego. With the right attitude our soul, mind and heart without wordless fears can hear the spirit and have relationship with it. I think this is a state of consciousness. In Shinnio-en Buddhism a person have to have virtue to interact with new state of conscience. This is a result of an egoless effort, like to think in others first then for us. This virtue can be shared and can let you see the difference between ego and something else that is the life, life is always giving egoless, so you can find the spirit with your mind and also with your heart and your soul if you go to the spiritual world with your conscience.

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